From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 13:56:31 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host Windows filing system and VRPC ? It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. XXX.mp4.dat I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse button. My Model.cfg file contains the lines : podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something configured wrongly. Can anyone help, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:18:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bb967abbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. I do something similar, swopping files quite frequently, John, but get very little in the way of problems. My set up is as is from installation. Can't seem to understand your set up relative to mine. My set up is with StrongArm RISC OS4 on Win7. I've avoided moving VirtualAcorn from the C: drive cos if did and if I got into trouble I would be utterly clueless. Not much help I'm afraid, but you never know! > Can anyone help, please? > John Best wishes Brian From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 14:22:22 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:22:22 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, then the HostFS extensions tab. If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will be handled correctly. When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to maintain. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. > Can anyone help, please? > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:35:14 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bd1776bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article , Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to > > Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous > > e.g. XXX.mp4.dat > > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does > > not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory > > nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO > > using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse > > button. > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. > When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. > VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to > maintain. Err, if I've understood correctly, why would you want to do that if one makes use of an Exchange folder, as per TOMS? I mean, at a pinch, you can have both sides of the Exchange folder open in both RISC OS and Win7 at the same time, if you fiddle with the windows settings, so that you can see what you are doing, kind of thing. > > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > > podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have > > something configured wrongly. > > Can anyone help, please? John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 15:18:55 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not .mp4 which as it happens is the most common nuisance. I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the "type" is for the extension mp4, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From steffen at huber-net.de Sun Dec 9 15:45:25 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 16:45:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I > cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the > "type" is for the extension mp4, please? The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Sun Dec 9 17:05:21 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-09 15:18, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not > .mp4 > which as it happens is the most common nuisance. Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you do with them under RO? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:10:54 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:10:54 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > [Snip] >> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >> configured? > [Snip] > Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like > again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient > Kyocera printer.... > The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its > network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the > network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a > Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 > series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? > John You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back to where it was. (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily complicated.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:14:15 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:14:15 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <05a3d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <6754d66357.Alan.Adams at ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list >> wrote: >> [Snip] >>> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >>> configured? >> [Snip] >> Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like >> again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient >> Kyocera printer.... >> The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its >> network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the >> network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a >> Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 >> series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? >> John > You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 > range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back > to where it was. > (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses > in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily > complicated.) And to follow up my own answer, it's possible it will try DHCP before defaulting to a built in address. Setting it up on a DHCP server (your router most likely) could fix the problem. The best way is to use a reservation - where you specify on the router that requests from a specified Ethernet address always get the specified IP address. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 10:49:51 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do > you do with them under RO? No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to Windows to view them. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 11:15:58 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably > also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, > .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as MPEGs. However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the names are shown with no extension. If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to be renamed by removing the .dat Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 11:23:33 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:23:33 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <57642eaf27mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably >> also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, >> .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. > Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I > now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as > MPEGs. > However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it > as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 > The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the > names are shown with no extension. > If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is > shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to > be renamed by removing the .dat > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? > John I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked here for example. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:59:00 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > do with them under RO? > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > Windows to view them. Exactly so. Same here! Brian From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 12:13:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <576433fa9cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5764329fe7bbailey at argonet.co.uk>, Brian via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > > wrote: > > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > > do with them under RO? > > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > > Windows to view them. > Exactly so. Same here! Just a small point, please. I often have video clips sent to me by my buddy that won't work under RISC OS. It is 'usually' a simple matter to just transfer it's URL. Doesn't work every time. > Brian From steffen at huber-net.de Mon Dec 10 13:39:24 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:39:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1176166141.314134.1544449164813@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? I think you should untick "NoTypes". I only remember dimly from LanMan98 times that "NoTypes" is only sensible if you use the mount only from RISC OS, because it always adds the filetype as part of the filename - so all works fine for RISC OS, but since the extension is no longer there, nothing will work for the host platform. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 14:30:13 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked > here for example. I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting as well to make sure . . . no change. Back to the drawing board. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Mon Dec 10 14:55:15 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-10 14:30, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and > re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". If on Windows you create a file somewhere in a HostFS folder, eg create a new .txt file called frog.txt then rename it to frog.mp4 then look at it from RO, do you not see it as frog/mp4 ? There's no "transfer" needed. It's the same file, always on the Windows machine's disk. All that's happening is that VRPC presents the real name of the file "frog.mp4" as "frog/mp4". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 15:13:28 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:13:28 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <57644077b7mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked >> here for example. > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. > Back to the drawing board. > John Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the process. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:28:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". Perhaps "doing a transfer" is misleading. What you are suggesting works normally: in Windows saving a file with a DOS extension shows on the RO side as the same extension, just with '/' instead of '.' The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just has the '/' separator. Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:30:57 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. > Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before > it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. > It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see > how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the > process. On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mik.towse at xemik.com Mon Dec 10 17:54:59 2018 From: mik.towse at xemik.com (Mik Towse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764533717%mik.towse@xemik.com> In article <576450cf51mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file > with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 > from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just > has the '/' separator. > Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd > So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. This should only happen if you haven't added .mp4 to the list under HostFS Extensions. You'll likely have 1AD mapped to .mp3, so have you tried adding mp4 to 1AD? IIRC, this was already been suggested. Since you aren't using mp4 on ROS, it doesn't really matter what you map it to under ROS, just that it /is/ mapped. I often map 'unusual' DOS extensions to FFD or FFF to stop the problem of superfluous double extensions. For example, I believe CSS is filetyped as F79, but I mapped it to FFF. I only know of one program that uses the CSS filetype, so text is fine becaue I can edit it on both platforms. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse at xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 19:26:29 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:26:29 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5764510404mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? > Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. >> Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before >> it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. >> It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see >> how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the >> process. > On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 That's expected. The real question is what icon does it use? If it's the green icon for a data file then it won't map to the Windows mp4 file extension. Select the file in the RAM disc, click menu, then info, and see what filetype is assigned. The icon on RISC OS is picked up from the RISC OS filetype. The / in RISC OS is just part of the filename - it has no special meaning to RISC OS. HostFS sorts out what it does based on the filetype in RISC OS. That needs to be right, and if you are extracting the file from email, it's likely that the mimetype is used to create the RISC OS filetype. If there's no Mimetype entry, the RISC OS type will be Data, i.e "I don't kinow what this is". > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Tue Dec 11 11:22:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is happening. If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data file. So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. I have put the question to the Pluto users group ..... John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Tue Dec 11 11:50:07 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <7ff90fd3827367f09609f87a8bcdb5cb@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-11 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is > happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article > Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it > is > copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data > file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the > file > name, /Windows/ does not do that. Windows does not change the name of a file in any of its directories. If a program creates a file with a particular name then that's the name it has. The VRPC program, running under Windows, creates the file with the name ending in ".dat". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Dec 11 19:36:18 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> On 11/12/2018 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this > is happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's > Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that > when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as > being a Data file. You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to > the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until > it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. Windows doesn't do that, VRPC does. Once it's has the correct RISC OS file type, you need to ensure VRPC's extension mapping turns back in to a .mp4 ---druck -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Wed Dec 12 13:26:17 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 11 Dec, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. You were quite right there. I have now updated it with Tim Hill's mimemap which seems to contain all types. There is clearly more to be done, though, since the situation remains the same... Following other suggestions, I have also added .mp4 to the list at HostFS::DriveE.$.Program Files.VirtualAcorn.VirtualRPC-AdjustSA.Plugins.HostFS2.extensions but I don't know if I have done that correctly. I have: Type Extensions 1ad : mp3,mp4 but also bf8 : mp4 will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the right one? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Dec 12 16:49:37 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <0ff3e723b798a70585dc374705970340@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-12 13:26, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Type Extensions > > 1ad : mp3,mp4 > but also > bf8 : mp4 > > will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the > right > one? It's not necessarily wrong for there to be two filetypes, if - say - back in the day someone wrote an application that could process both mp3 and mp4 files and chose just one filetype for both when that application was intended to be the one that opened them. For example the application might then have id'd the type of data by looking at the first few bytes of the file. Or, someone may at some stage have decided that (if) neither mp3 nor mp4 could be processed by RO but a filetype would still be useful, and assigned one type for both types of file. I suspect that mp3 files are supported on RO though even if mp4 are not. One might have expected the formal process that RO programmers are meant to go through to register filetypes to have avoided this though... and that might mean that one or both of these definitions are not properly registered. Also... just telling mimemap that filetype bf8 equates to ".mp4" doesn't (so far as I know) tell RO itself what the name of the filetype bf8 is, and it certainly doesn't define a suitable icon. To get a name for the filetype you will need to put the instruction *set file$type_BF8 Mp4 into an Obey file somewhere in your boot sequence. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:00:20 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request Message-ID: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the CD is empty :( Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up and running again? No response on the telephone from Aaron at the moment but I will have to obtain a fresh copy of the CD for future problems. TIA John Woodhouse VirtualRPC-AdjustSA Please post to: mail at JohnWoodhouse.co.uk From pittdj at pittdj.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:36:24 2018 From: pittdj at pittdj.co.uk (David Pitt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > > After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. > I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so > having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the > CD is empty :( > Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up > and running again? This? http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm -- David Pitt From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:42:13 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: <20181218144213.Horde.UTxQzw-Czrqk9ZSKkrITPRk@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Quoting David Pitt via Virtualacorn-list : > JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > >> >> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. >> I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so >> having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the >> CD is empty :( >> Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up >> and running again? > > This? > > http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm > Thanks, David, I didn't know it was there. John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 13:56:31 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host Windows filing system and VRPC ? It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. XXX.mp4.dat I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse button. My Model.cfg file contains the lines : podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something configured wrongly. Can anyone help, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:18:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bb967abbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. I do something similar, swopping files quite frequently, John, but get very little in the way of problems. My set up is as is from installation. Can't seem to understand your set up relative to mine. My set up is with StrongArm RISC OS4 on Win7. I've avoided moving VirtualAcorn from the C: drive cos if did and if I got into trouble I would be utterly clueless. Not much help I'm afraid, but you never know! > Can anyone help, please? > John Best wishes Brian From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 14:22:22 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:22:22 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, then the HostFS extensions tab. If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will be handled correctly. When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to maintain. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. > Can anyone help, please? > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:35:14 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bd1776bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article , Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to > > Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous > > e.g. XXX.mp4.dat > > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does > > not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory > > nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO > > using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse > > button. > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. > When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. > VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to > maintain. Err, if I've understood correctly, why would you want to do that if one makes use of an Exchange folder, as per TOMS? I mean, at a pinch, you can have both sides of the Exchange folder open in both RISC OS and Win7 at the same time, if you fiddle with the windows settings, so that you can see what you are doing, kind of thing. > > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > > podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have > > something configured wrongly. > > Can anyone help, please? John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 15:18:55 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not .mp4 which as it happens is the most common nuisance. I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the "type" is for the extension mp4, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From steffen at huber-net.de Sun Dec 9 15:45:25 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 16:45:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I > cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the > "type" is for the extension mp4, please? The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Sun Dec 9 17:05:21 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-09 15:18, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not > .mp4 > which as it happens is the most common nuisance. Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you do with them under RO? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:10:54 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:10:54 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > [Snip] >> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >> configured? > [Snip] > Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like > again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient > Kyocera printer.... > The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its > network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the > network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a > Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 > series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? > John You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back to where it was. (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily complicated.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:14:15 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:14:15 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <05a3d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <6754d66357.Alan.Adams at ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list >> wrote: >> [Snip] >>> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >>> configured? >> [Snip] >> Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like >> again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient >> Kyocera printer.... >> The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its >> network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the >> network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a >> Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 >> series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? >> John > You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 > range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back > to where it was. > (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses > in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily > complicated.) And to follow up my own answer, it's possible it will try DHCP before defaulting to a built in address. Setting it up on a DHCP server (your router most likely) could fix the problem. The best way is to use a reservation - where you specify on the router that requests from a specified Ethernet address always get the specified IP address. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 10:49:51 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do > you do with them under RO? No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to Windows to view them. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 11:15:58 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably > also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, > .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as MPEGs. However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the names are shown with no extension. If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to be renamed by removing the .dat Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 11:23:33 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:23:33 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <57642eaf27mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably >> also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, >> .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. > Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I > now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as > MPEGs. > However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it > as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 > The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the > names are shown with no extension. > If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is > shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to > be renamed by removing the .dat > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? > John I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked here for example. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:59:00 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > do with them under RO? > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > Windows to view them. Exactly so. Same here! Brian From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 12:13:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <576433fa9cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5764329fe7bbailey at argonet.co.uk>, Brian via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > > wrote: > > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > > do with them under RO? > > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > > Windows to view them. > Exactly so. Same here! Just a small point, please. I often have video clips sent to me by my buddy that won't work under RISC OS. It is 'usually' a simple matter to just transfer it's URL. Doesn't work every time. > Brian From steffen at huber-net.de Mon Dec 10 13:39:24 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:39:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1176166141.314134.1544449164813@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? I think you should untick "NoTypes". I only remember dimly from LanMan98 times that "NoTypes" is only sensible if you use the mount only from RISC OS, because it always adds the filetype as part of the filename - so all works fine for RISC OS, but since the extension is no longer there, nothing will work for the host platform. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 14:30:13 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked > here for example. I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting as well to make sure . . . no change. Back to the drawing board. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Mon Dec 10 14:55:15 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-10 14:30, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and > re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". If on Windows you create a file somewhere in a HostFS folder, eg create a new .txt file called frog.txt then rename it to frog.mp4 then look at it from RO, do you not see it as frog/mp4 ? There's no "transfer" needed. It's the same file, always on the Windows machine's disk. All that's happening is that VRPC presents the real name of the file "frog.mp4" as "frog/mp4". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 15:13:28 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:13:28 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <57644077b7mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked >> here for example. > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. > Back to the drawing board. > John Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the process. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:28:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". Perhaps "doing a transfer" is misleading. What you are suggesting works normally: in Windows saving a file with a DOS extension shows on the RO side as the same extension, just with '/' instead of '.' The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just has the '/' separator. Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:30:57 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. > Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before > it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. > It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see > how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the > process. On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mik.towse at xemik.com Mon Dec 10 17:54:59 2018 From: mik.towse at xemik.com (Mik Towse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764533717%mik.towse@xemik.com> In article <576450cf51mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file > with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 > from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just > has the '/' separator. > Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd > So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. This should only happen if you haven't added .mp4 to the list under HostFS Extensions. You'll likely have 1AD mapped to .mp3, so have you tried adding mp4 to 1AD? IIRC, this was already been suggested. Since you aren't using mp4 on ROS, it doesn't really matter what you map it to under ROS, just that it /is/ mapped. I often map 'unusual' DOS extensions to FFD or FFF to stop the problem of superfluous double extensions. For example, I believe CSS is filetyped as F79, but I mapped it to FFF. I only know of one program that uses the CSS filetype, so text is fine becaue I can edit it on both platforms. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse at xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 19:26:29 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:26:29 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5764510404mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? > Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. >> Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before >> it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. >> It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see >> how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the >> process. > On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 That's expected. The real question is what icon does it use? If it's the green icon for a data file then it won't map to the Windows mp4 file extension. Select the file in the RAM disc, click menu, then info, and see what filetype is assigned. The icon on RISC OS is picked up from the RISC OS filetype. The / in RISC OS is just part of the filename - it has no special meaning to RISC OS. HostFS sorts out what it does based on the filetype in RISC OS. That needs to be right, and if you are extracting the file from email, it's likely that the mimetype is used to create the RISC OS filetype. If there's no Mimetype entry, the RISC OS type will be Data, i.e "I don't kinow what this is". > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Tue Dec 11 11:22:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is happening. If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data file. So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. I have put the question to the Pluto users group ..... John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Tue Dec 11 11:50:07 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <7ff90fd3827367f09609f87a8bcdb5cb@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-11 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is > happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article > Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it > is > copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data > file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the > file > name, /Windows/ does not do that. Windows does not change the name of a file in any of its directories. If a program creates a file with a particular name then that's the name it has. The VRPC program, running under Windows, creates the file with the name ending in ".dat". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Dec 11 19:36:18 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> On 11/12/2018 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this > is happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's > Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that > when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as > being a Data file. You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to > the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until > it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. Windows doesn't do that, VRPC does. Once it's has the correct RISC OS file type, you need to ensure VRPC's extension mapping turns back in to a .mp4 ---druck -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Wed Dec 12 13:26:17 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 11 Dec, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. You were quite right there. I have now updated it with Tim Hill's mimemap which seems to contain all types. There is clearly more to be done, though, since the situation remains the same... Following other suggestions, I have also added .mp4 to the list at HostFS::DriveE.$.Program Files.VirtualAcorn.VirtualRPC-AdjustSA.Plugins.HostFS2.extensions but I don't know if I have done that correctly. I have: Type Extensions 1ad : mp3,mp4 but also bf8 : mp4 will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the right one? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Dec 12 16:49:37 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <0ff3e723b798a70585dc374705970340@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-12 13:26, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Type Extensions > > 1ad : mp3,mp4 > but also > bf8 : mp4 > > will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the > right > one? It's not necessarily wrong for there to be two filetypes, if - say - back in the day someone wrote an application that could process both mp3 and mp4 files and chose just one filetype for both when that application was intended to be the one that opened them. For example the application might then have id'd the type of data by looking at the first few bytes of the file. Or, someone may at some stage have decided that (if) neither mp3 nor mp4 could be processed by RO but a filetype would still be useful, and assigned one type for both types of file. I suspect that mp3 files are supported on RO though even if mp4 are not. One might have expected the formal process that RO programmers are meant to go through to register filetypes to have avoided this though... and that might mean that one or both of these definitions are not properly registered. Also... just telling mimemap that filetype bf8 equates to ".mp4" doesn't (so far as I know) tell RO itself what the name of the filetype bf8 is, and it certainly doesn't define a suitable icon. To get a name for the filetype you will need to put the instruction *set file$type_BF8 Mp4 into an Obey file somewhere in your boot sequence. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:00:20 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request Message-ID: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the CD is empty :( Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up and running again? No response on the telephone from Aaron at the moment but I will have to obtain a fresh copy of the CD for future problems. TIA John Woodhouse VirtualRPC-AdjustSA Please post to: mail at JohnWoodhouse.co.uk From pittdj at pittdj.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:36:24 2018 From: pittdj at pittdj.co.uk (David Pitt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > > After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. > I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so > having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the > CD is empty :( > Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up > and running again? This? http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm -- David Pitt From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:42:13 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: <20181218144213.Horde.UTxQzw-Czrqk9ZSKkrITPRk@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Quoting David Pitt via Virtualacorn-list : > JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > >> >> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. >> I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so >> having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the >> CD is empty :( >> Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up >> and running again? > > This? > > http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm > Thanks, David, I didn't know it was there. John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 13:56:31 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host Windows filing system and VRPC ? It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. XXX.mp4.dat I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse button. My Model.cfg file contains the lines : podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something configured wrongly. Can anyone help, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:18:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bb967abbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. I do something similar, swopping files quite frequently, John, but get very little in the way of problems. My set up is as is from installation. Can't seem to understand your set up relative to mine. My set up is with StrongArm RISC OS4 on Win7. I've avoided moving VirtualAcorn from the C: drive cos if did and if I got into trouble I would be utterly clueless. Not much help I'm afraid, but you never know! > Can anyone help, please? > John Best wishes Brian From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 14:22:22 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:22:22 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, then the HostFS extensions tab. If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will be handled correctly. When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to maintain. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. > Can anyone help, please? > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:35:14 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bd1776bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article , Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to > > Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous > > e.g. XXX.mp4.dat > > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does > > not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory > > nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO > > using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse > > button. > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. > When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. > VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to > maintain. Err, if I've understood correctly, why would you want to do that if one makes use of an Exchange folder, as per TOMS? I mean, at a pinch, you can have both sides of the Exchange folder open in both RISC OS and Win7 at the same time, if you fiddle with the windows settings, so that you can see what you are doing, kind of thing. > > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > > podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have > > something configured wrongly. > > Can anyone help, please? John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 15:18:55 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not .mp4 which as it happens is the most common nuisance. I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the "type" is for the extension mp4, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From steffen at huber-net.de Sun Dec 9 15:45:25 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 16:45:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I > cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the > "type" is for the extension mp4, please? The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Sun Dec 9 17:05:21 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-09 15:18, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not > .mp4 > which as it happens is the most common nuisance. Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you do with them under RO? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:10:54 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:10:54 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > [Snip] >> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >> configured? > [Snip] > Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like > again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient > Kyocera printer.... > The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its > network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the > network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a > Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 > series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? > John You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back to where it was. (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily complicated.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:14:15 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:14:15 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <05a3d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <6754d66357.Alan.Adams at ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list >> wrote: >> [Snip] >>> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >>> configured? >> [Snip] >> Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like >> again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient >> Kyocera printer.... >> The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its >> network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the >> network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a >> Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 >> series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? >> John > You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 > range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back > to where it was. > (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses > in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily > complicated.) And to follow up my own answer, it's possible it will try DHCP before defaulting to a built in address. Setting it up on a DHCP server (your router most likely) could fix the problem. The best way is to use a reservation - where you specify on the router that requests from a specified Ethernet address always get the specified IP address. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 10:49:51 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do > you do with them under RO? No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to Windows to view them. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 11:15:58 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably > also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, > .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as MPEGs. However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the names are shown with no extension. If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to be renamed by removing the .dat Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 11:23:33 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:23:33 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <57642eaf27mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably >> also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, >> .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. > Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I > now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as > MPEGs. > However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it > as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 > The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the > names are shown with no extension. > If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is > shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to > be renamed by removing the .dat > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? > John I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked here for example. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:59:00 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > do with them under RO? > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > Windows to view them. Exactly so. Same here! Brian From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 12:13:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <576433fa9cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5764329fe7bbailey at argonet.co.uk>, Brian via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > > wrote: > > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > > do with them under RO? > > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > > Windows to view them. > Exactly so. Same here! Just a small point, please. I often have video clips sent to me by my buddy that won't work under RISC OS. It is 'usually' a simple matter to just transfer it's URL. Doesn't work every time. > Brian From steffen at huber-net.de Mon Dec 10 13:39:24 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:39:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1176166141.314134.1544449164813@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? I think you should untick "NoTypes". I only remember dimly from LanMan98 times that "NoTypes" is only sensible if you use the mount only from RISC OS, because it always adds the filetype as part of the filename - so all works fine for RISC OS, but since the extension is no longer there, nothing will work for the host platform. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 14:30:13 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked > here for example. I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting as well to make sure . . . no change. Back to the drawing board. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Mon Dec 10 14:55:15 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-10 14:30, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and > re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". If on Windows you create a file somewhere in a HostFS folder, eg create a new .txt file called frog.txt then rename it to frog.mp4 then look at it from RO, do you not see it as frog/mp4 ? There's no "transfer" needed. It's the same file, always on the Windows machine's disk. All that's happening is that VRPC presents the real name of the file "frog.mp4" as "frog/mp4". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 15:13:28 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:13:28 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <57644077b7mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked >> here for example. > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. > Back to the drawing board. > John Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the process. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:28:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". Perhaps "doing a transfer" is misleading. What you are suggesting works normally: in Windows saving a file with a DOS extension shows on the RO side as the same extension, just with '/' instead of '.' The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just has the '/' separator. Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:30:57 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. > Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before > it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. > It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see > how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the > process. On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mik.towse at xemik.com Mon Dec 10 17:54:59 2018 From: mik.towse at xemik.com (Mik Towse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764533717%mik.towse@xemik.com> In article <576450cf51mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file > with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 > from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just > has the '/' separator. > Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd > So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. This should only happen if you haven't added .mp4 to the list under HostFS Extensions. You'll likely have 1AD mapped to .mp3, so have you tried adding mp4 to 1AD? IIRC, this was already been suggested. Since you aren't using mp4 on ROS, it doesn't really matter what you map it to under ROS, just that it /is/ mapped. I often map 'unusual' DOS extensions to FFD or FFF to stop the problem of superfluous double extensions. For example, I believe CSS is filetyped as F79, but I mapped it to FFF. I only know of one program that uses the CSS filetype, so text is fine becaue I can edit it on both platforms. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse at xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 19:26:29 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:26:29 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5764510404mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? > Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. >> Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before >> it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. >> It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see >> how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the >> process. > On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 That's expected. The real question is what icon does it use? If it's the green icon for a data file then it won't map to the Windows mp4 file extension. Select the file in the RAM disc, click menu, then info, and see what filetype is assigned. The icon on RISC OS is picked up from the RISC OS filetype. The / in RISC OS is just part of the filename - it has no special meaning to RISC OS. HostFS sorts out what it does based on the filetype in RISC OS. That needs to be right, and if you are extracting the file from email, it's likely that the mimetype is used to create the RISC OS filetype. If there's no Mimetype entry, the RISC OS type will be Data, i.e "I don't kinow what this is". > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Tue Dec 11 11:22:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is happening. If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data file. So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. I have put the question to the Pluto users group ..... John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Tue Dec 11 11:50:07 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <7ff90fd3827367f09609f87a8bcdb5cb@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-11 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is > happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article > Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it > is > copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data > file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the > file > name, /Windows/ does not do that. Windows does not change the name of a file in any of its directories. If a program creates a file with a particular name then that's the name it has. The VRPC program, running under Windows, creates the file with the name ending in ".dat". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Dec 11 19:36:18 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> On 11/12/2018 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this > is happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's > Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that > when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as > being a Data file. You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to > the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until > it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. Windows doesn't do that, VRPC does. Once it's has the correct RISC OS file type, you need to ensure VRPC's extension mapping turns back in to a .mp4 ---druck -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Wed Dec 12 13:26:17 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 11 Dec, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. You were quite right there. I have now updated it with Tim Hill's mimemap which seems to contain all types. There is clearly more to be done, though, since the situation remains the same... Following other suggestions, I have also added .mp4 to the list at HostFS::DriveE.$.Program Files.VirtualAcorn.VirtualRPC-AdjustSA.Plugins.HostFS2.extensions but I don't know if I have done that correctly. I have: Type Extensions 1ad : mp3,mp4 but also bf8 : mp4 will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the right one? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Dec 12 16:49:37 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <0ff3e723b798a70585dc374705970340@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-12 13:26, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Type Extensions > > 1ad : mp3,mp4 > but also > bf8 : mp4 > > will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the > right > one? It's not necessarily wrong for there to be two filetypes, if - say - back in the day someone wrote an application that could process both mp3 and mp4 files and chose just one filetype for both when that application was intended to be the one that opened them. For example the application might then have id'd the type of data by looking at the first few bytes of the file. Or, someone may at some stage have decided that (if) neither mp3 nor mp4 could be processed by RO but a filetype would still be useful, and assigned one type for both types of file. I suspect that mp3 files are supported on RO though even if mp4 are not. One might have expected the formal process that RO programmers are meant to go through to register filetypes to have avoided this though... and that might mean that one or both of these definitions are not properly registered. Also... just telling mimemap that filetype bf8 equates to ".mp4" doesn't (so far as I know) tell RO itself what the name of the filetype bf8 is, and it certainly doesn't define a suitable icon. To get a name for the filetype you will need to put the instruction *set file$type_BF8 Mp4 into an Obey file somewhere in your boot sequence. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:00:20 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request Message-ID: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the CD is empty :( Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up and running again? No response on the telephone from Aaron at the moment but I will have to obtain a fresh copy of the CD for future problems. TIA John Woodhouse VirtualRPC-AdjustSA Please post to: mail at JohnWoodhouse.co.uk From pittdj at pittdj.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:36:24 2018 From: pittdj at pittdj.co.uk (David Pitt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > > After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. > I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so > having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the > CD is empty :( > Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up > and running again? This? http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm -- David Pitt From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:42:13 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: <20181218144213.Horde.UTxQzw-Czrqk9ZSKkrITPRk@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Quoting David Pitt via Virtualacorn-list : > JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > >> >> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. >> I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so >> having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the >> CD is empty :( >> Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up >> and running again? > > This? > > http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm > Thanks, David, I didn't know it was there. John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 13:56:31 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host Windows filing system and VRPC ? It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. XXX.mp4.dat I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse button. My Model.cfg file contains the lines : podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something configured wrongly. Can anyone help, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:18:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bb967abbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. I do something similar, swopping files quite frequently, John, but get very little in the way of problems. My set up is as is from installation. Can't seem to understand your set up relative to mine. My set up is with StrongArm RISC OS4 on Win7. I've avoided moving VirtualAcorn from the C: drive cos if did and if I got into trouble I would be utterly clueless. Not much help I'm afraid, but you never know! > Can anyone help, please? > John Best wishes Brian From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 14:22:22 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:22:22 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, then the HostFS extensions tab. If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will be handled correctly. When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to maintain. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. > Can anyone help, please? > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:35:14 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bd1776bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article , Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to > > Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous > > e.g. XXX.mp4.dat > > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does > > not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory > > nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO > > using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse > > button. > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. > When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. > VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to > maintain. Err, if I've understood correctly, why would you want to do that if one makes use of an Exchange folder, as per TOMS? I mean, at a pinch, you can have both sides of the Exchange folder open in both RISC OS and Win7 at the same time, if you fiddle with the windows settings, so that you can see what you are doing, kind of thing. > > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > > podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have > > something configured wrongly. > > Can anyone help, please? John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 15:18:55 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not .mp4 which as it happens is the most common nuisance. I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the "type" is for the extension mp4, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From steffen at huber-net.de Sun Dec 9 15:45:25 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 16:45:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I > cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the > "type" is for the extension mp4, please? The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Sun Dec 9 17:05:21 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-09 15:18, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not > .mp4 > which as it happens is the most common nuisance. Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you do with them under RO? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:10:54 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:10:54 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > [Snip] >> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >> configured? > [Snip] > Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like > again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient > Kyocera printer.... > The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its > network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the > network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a > Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 > series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? > John You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back to where it was. (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily complicated.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:14:15 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:14:15 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <05a3d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <6754d66357.Alan.Adams at ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list >> wrote: >> [Snip] >>> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >>> configured? >> [Snip] >> Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like >> again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient >> Kyocera printer.... >> The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its >> network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the >> network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a >> Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 >> series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? >> John > You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 > range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back > to where it was. > (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses > in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily > complicated.) And to follow up my own answer, it's possible it will try DHCP before defaulting to a built in address. Setting it up on a DHCP server (your router most likely) could fix the problem. The best way is to use a reservation - where you specify on the router that requests from a specified Ethernet address always get the specified IP address. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 10:49:51 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do > you do with them under RO? No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to Windows to view them. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 11:15:58 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably > also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, > .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as MPEGs. However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the names are shown with no extension. If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to be renamed by removing the .dat Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 11:23:33 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:23:33 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <57642eaf27mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably >> also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, >> .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. > Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I > now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as > MPEGs. > However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it > as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 > The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the > names are shown with no extension. > If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is > shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to > be renamed by removing the .dat > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? > John I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked here for example. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:59:00 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > do with them under RO? > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > Windows to view them. Exactly so. Same here! Brian From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 12:13:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <576433fa9cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5764329fe7bbailey at argonet.co.uk>, Brian via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > > wrote: > > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > > do with them under RO? > > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > > Windows to view them. > Exactly so. Same here! Just a small point, please. I often have video clips sent to me by my buddy that won't work under RISC OS. It is 'usually' a simple matter to just transfer it's URL. Doesn't work every time. > Brian From steffen at huber-net.de Mon Dec 10 13:39:24 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:39:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1176166141.314134.1544449164813@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? I think you should untick "NoTypes". I only remember dimly from LanMan98 times that "NoTypes" is only sensible if you use the mount only from RISC OS, because it always adds the filetype as part of the filename - so all works fine for RISC OS, but since the extension is no longer there, nothing will work for the host platform. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 14:30:13 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked > here for example. I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting as well to make sure . . . no change. Back to the drawing board. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Mon Dec 10 14:55:15 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-10 14:30, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and > re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". If on Windows you create a file somewhere in a HostFS folder, eg create a new .txt file called frog.txt then rename it to frog.mp4 then look at it from RO, do you not see it as frog/mp4 ? There's no "transfer" needed. It's the same file, always on the Windows machine's disk. All that's happening is that VRPC presents the real name of the file "frog.mp4" as "frog/mp4". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 15:13:28 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:13:28 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <57644077b7mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked >> here for example. > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. > Back to the drawing board. > John Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the process. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:28:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". Perhaps "doing a transfer" is misleading. What you are suggesting works normally: in Windows saving a file with a DOS extension shows on the RO side as the same extension, just with '/' instead of '.' The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just has the '/' separator. Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:30:57 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. > Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before > it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. > It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see > how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the > process. On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mik.towse at xemik.com Mon Dec 10 17:54:59 2018 From: mik.towse at xemik.com (Mik Towse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764533717%mik.towse@xemik.com> In article <576450cf51mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file > with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 > from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just > has the '/' separator. > Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd > So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. This should only happen if you haven't added .mp4 to the list under HostFS Extensions. You'll likely have 1AD mapped to .mp3, so have you tried adding mp4 to 1AD? IIRC, this was already been suggested. Since you aren't using mp4 on ROS, it doesn't really matter what you map it to under ROS, just that it /is/ mapped. I often map 'unusual' DOS extensions to FFD or FFF to stop the problem of superfluous double extensions. For example, I believe CSS is filetyped as F79, but I mapped it to FFF. I only know of one program that uses the CSS filetype, so text is fine becaue I can edit it on both platforms. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse at xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 19:26:29 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:26:29 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5764510404mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? > Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. >> Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before >> it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. >> It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see >> how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the >> process. > On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 That's expected. The real question is what icon does it use? If it's the green icon for a data file then it won't map to the Windows mp4 file extension. Select the file in the RAM disc, click menu, then info, and see what filetype is assigned. The icon on RISC OS is picked up from the RISC OS filetype. The / in RISC OS is just part of the filename - it has no special meaning to RISC OS. HostFS sorts out what it does based on the filetype in RISC OS. That needs to be right, and if you are extracting the file from email, it's likely that the mimetype is used to create the RISC OS filetype. If there's no Mimetype entry, the RISC OS type will be Data, i.e "I don't kinow what this is". > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Tue Dec 11 11:22:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is happening. If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data file. So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. I have put the question to the Pluto users group ..... John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Tue Dec 11 11:50:07 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <7ff90fd3827367f09609f87a8bcdb5cb@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-11 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is > happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article > Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it > is > copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data > file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the > file > name, /Windows/ does not do that. Windows does not change the name of a file in any of its directories. If a program creates a file with a particular name then that's the name it has. The VRPC program, running under Windows, creates the file with the name ending in ".dat". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Dec 11 19:36:18 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> On 11/12/2018 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this > is happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's > Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that > when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as > being a Data file. You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to > the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until > it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. Windows doesn't do that, VRPC does. Once it's has the correct RISC OS file type, you need to ensure VRPC's extension mapping turns back in to a .mp4 ---druck -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Wed Dec 12 13:26:17 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 11 Dec, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. You were quite right there. I have now updated it with Tim Hill's mimemap which seems to contain all types. There is clearly more to be done, though, since the situation remains the same... Following other suggestions, I have also added .mp4 to the list at HostFS::DriveE.$.Program Files.VirtualAcorn.VirtualRPC-AdjustSA.Plugins.HostFS2.extensions but I don't know if I have done that correctly. I have: Type Extensions 1ad : mp3,mp4 but also bf8 : mp4 will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the right one? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Dec 12 16:49:37 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <0ff3e723b798a70585dc374705970340@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-12 13:26, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Type Extensions > > 1ad : mp3,mp4 > but also > bf8 : mp4 > > will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the > right > one? It's not necessarily wrong for there to be two filetypes, if - say - back in the day someone wrote an application that could process both mp3 and mp4 files and chose just one filetype for both when that application was intended to be the one that opened them. For example the application might then have id'd the type of data by looking at the first few bytes of the file. Or, someone may at some stage have decided that (if) neither mp3 nor mp4 could be processed by RO but a filetype would still be useful, and assigned one type for both types of file. I suspect that mp3 files are supported on RO though even if mp4 are not. One might have expected the formal process that RO programmers are meant to go through to register filetypes to have avoided this though... and that might mean that one or both of these definitions are not properly registered. Also... just telling mimemap that filetype bf8 equates to ".mp4" doesn't (so far as I know) tell RO itself what the name of the filetype bf8 is, and it certainly doesn't define a suitable icon. To get a name for the filetype you will need to put the instruction *set file$type_BF8 Mp4 into an Obey file somewhere in your boot sequence. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:00:20 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request Message-ID: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the CD is empty :( Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up and running again? No response on the telephone from Aaron at the moment but I will have to obtain a fresh copy of the CD for future problems. TIA John Woodhouse VirtualRPC-AdjustSA Please post to: mail at JohnWoodhouse.co.uk From pittdj at pittdj.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:36:24 2018 From: pittdj at pittdj.co.uk (David Pitt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > > After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. > I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so > having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the > CD is empty :( > Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up > and running again? This? http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm -- David Pitt From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:42:13 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: <20181218144213.Horde.UTxQzw-Czrqk9ZSKkrITPRk@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Quoting David Pitt via Virtualacorn-list : > JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > >> >> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. >> I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so >> having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the >> CD is empty :( >> Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up >> and running again? > > This? > > http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm > Thanks, David, I didn't know it was there. John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 13:56:31 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host Windows filing system and VRPC ? It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. XXX.mp4.dat I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse button. My Model.cfg file contains the lines : podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something configured wrongly. Can anyone help, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:18:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bb967abbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. I do something similar, swopping files quite frequently, John, but get very little in the way of problems. My set up is as is from installation. Can't seem to understand your set up relative to mine. My set up is with StrongArm RISC OS4 on Win7. I've avoided moving VirtualAcorn from the C: drive cos if did and if I got into trouble I would be utterly clueless. Not much help I'm afraid, but you never know! > Can anyone help, please? > John Best wishes Brian From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 14:22:22 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:22:22 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to Windows > from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous e.g. > XXX.mp4.dat > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does not > stay ticked. > I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory nemed Virtual Acorn and > run RO exclusively from that. > I am running RO using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the > scroll mouse button. With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, then the HostFS extensions tab. If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will be handled correctly. When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to maintain. > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > podule = 0 > mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have something > configured wrongly. > Can anyone help, please? > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Sun Dec 9 14:35:14 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 14:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763bd1776bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article , Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In message <5763b98c05mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > . . how they come to terms with the transfer of files between the host > > Windows filing system and VRPC ? > > It drives me mad having to file-type anything that is exported to > > Windows from RO. All files are given extensions which are superfluous > > e.g. XXX.mp4.dat > > I have tried to tick the Tools > HostFS > NoTypes box but that does > > not stay ticked. I have installed VARPC in E: drive in a directory > > nemed Virtual Acorn and run RO exclusively from that. I am running RO > > using the Arm7500 model in order to have control of the scroll mouse > > button. > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. > When using Lanman etc to transfer files, the Mimetypes file is used. > VRPC doesn't do that, unfortunately, so you generally have two lists to > maintain. Err, if I've understood correctly, why would you want to do that if one makes use of an Exchange folder, as per TOMS? I mean, at a pinch, you can have both sides of the Exchange folder open in both RISC OS and Win7 at the same time, if you fiddle with the windows settings, so that you can see what you are doing, kind of thing. > > My Model.cfg file contains the lines : > > podule = 0 mount0 = "HardDisc4 'E:\Program > > Files\VirtualAcorn\VirtualRPC-AdjustSA\HardDisc4' bootopt=2,showext" > > mount1 = "PCTxfer 'E:\[Txfer]' showext,notypes" > > Does everyone have this problem? I transfer a lot of files backwards & > > forwards between the systems and think that I must somehow have > > something configured wrongly. > > Can anyone help, please? John From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Sun Dec 9 15:18:55 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:18:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > With VRPC running in a window (not full screen) click on the tools menu, > then the HostFS extensions tab. > If the file you transfer has a mapping defined here, the file type will > be handled correctly. Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not .mp4 which as it happens is the most common nuisance. I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the "type" is for the extension mp4, please? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From steffen at huber-net.de Sun Dec 9 15:45:25 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 16:45:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > I was going to ask someone to send me a complete list to save into VA but I > cannot see where this list is contained, so can someone tell me what the > "type" is for the extension mp4, please? The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Sun Dec 9 17:05:21 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:05:21 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-09 15:18, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Ah! Perhaps that is the solution: I see that .mp3 is listed, but not > .mp4 > which as it happens is the most common nuisance. Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you do with them under RO? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:10:54 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:10:54 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > [Snip] >> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >> configured? > [Snip] > Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like > again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient > Kyocera printer.... > The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its > network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the > network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a > Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 > series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? > John You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back to where it was. (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily complicated.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From alan at adamshome.org.uk Sun Dec 9 19:14:15 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 19:14:15 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help please with browser connection In-Reply-To: <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5741b42f65mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5741b8eb4bmail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6754d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <05a3d66357.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <6754d66357.Alan.Adams at ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5741b8eb4bmail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> On 04 Oct, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list >> wrote: >> [Snip] >>> Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what else needs to be >>> configured? >> [Snip] >> Sorry: please ignore. I don't know what I diid, but it has sprung to like >> again, so I'm back to normal again - with the exception of the ancient >> Kyocera printer.... >> The printer was set on an IP of 192.168.1.4 and now I cannot get into its >> network card to change it to the required 0 series to get it back on the >> network. Unfortunately it refuses to access the card because it is not a >> Kyocera one. Is there some sort of fiddle to get temporarily onto the 0 >> series network to get into the printer to change the card's IP ? >> John > You will have to temporarily change the address of a computer into the 0 > range, connect to the printer, change that, then change the computer back > to where it was. > (Actually if it's a Windows computer it is possible to give it addresses > in both ranges, but for this exercise that's too tricky, and unnecessarily > complicated.) And to follow up my own answer, it's possible it will try DHCP before defaulting to a built in address. Setting it up on a DHCP server (your router most likely) could fix the problem. The best way is to use a reservation - where you specify on the router that requests from a specified Ethernet address always get the specified IP address. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 10:49:51 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 10:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do > you do with them under RO? No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to Windows to view them. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 11:15:58 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably > also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, > .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as MPEGs. However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the names are shown with no extension. If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to be renamed by removing the .dat Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 11:23:33 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:23:33 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <57642eaf27mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> The only allocated filetype for "MPEG video" (which is probably >> also including .mp4) is BF8. However, in the MimeType file I have here, >> .mp4 is not listed as one of the extensions for video/mpeg. > Thanks for that, Steffen. Having added bf8 and mp4 to the list, at least I > now see the contents of a Windows directory in RO showing .mp4 files as > MPEGs. > However, if I copy a received .mp4 clip into that window in RO, it shows it > as a Data file with its original name xxxx/mp4 > The other .mp4 files in that directory are shown with the MPEG icon but the > names are shown with no extension. > If I now view this same directory in Windows, the newly copied over file is > shown as a Data file and named xxx.mp4.dat In order to run it it has to > be renamed by removing the .dat > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? > John I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked here for example. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 11:59:00 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:59:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > do with them under RO? > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > Windows to view them. Exactly so. Same here! Brian From bbailey at argonet.co.uk Mon Dec 10 12:13:48 2018 From: bbailey at argonet.co.uk (Brian) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:13:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57642c4b0amail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5764329fe7bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: <576433fa9cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In article <5764329fe7bbailey at argonet.co.uk>, Brian via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <57642c4b0amail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com>, John Woodhouse via > Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > On 09 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list > > wrote: > > > Do you use a RO application that can process these files? If so, > > > surely it defines a filetype for them. If not, what on earth do you > > > do with them under RO? > > No, these are typically video clips which are emailed to me. Microsoft > > recognises the format and plays them. I do not have any RO application > > which is capable of playing them, which is why I copy them over to > > Windows to view them. > Exactly so. Same here! Just a small point, please. I often have video clips sent to me by my buddy that won't work under RISC OS. It is 'usually' a simple matter to just transfer it's URL. Doesn't work every time. > Brian From steffen at huber-net.de Mon Dec 10 13:39:24 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:39:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <1176166141.314134.1544449164813@communicator.strato.de> > John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > Have I got the right configuration set? I have Tools> Options> HostFS> the > 'No Types' box is ticked. I thought this was supposed to ensure that files > copied to Windows did NOT have their file names changed on transfer. Have I > got the wrong end of the stick here? I think you should untick "NoTypes". I only remember dimly from LanMan98 times that "NoTypes" is only sensible if you use the mount only from RISC OS, because it always adds the filetype as part of the filename - so all works fine for RISC OS, but since the extension is no longer there, nothing will work for the host platform. Have fun hubersn -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 14:30:13 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked > here for example. I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting as well to make sure . . . no change. Back to the drawing board. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Mon Dec 10 14:55:15 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: On 2018-12-10 14:30, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and > re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". If on Windows you create a file somewhere in a HostFS folder, eg create a new .txt file called frog.txt then rename it to frog.mp4 then look at it from RO, do you not see it as frog/mp4 ? There's no "transfer" needed. It's the same file, always on the Windows machine's disk. All that's happening is that VRPC presents the real name of the file "frog.mp4" as "frog/mp4". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 15:13:28 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:13:28 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> In message <57644077b7mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> I think NoTypes is doing the opposite of what you expect. It's unticked >> here for example. > I have now tried a transfer after unticking the No Types box and re-booting > as well to make sure . . . no change. > Back to the drawing board. > John Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the process. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:28:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:28:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I don't really understand what you mean by "doing a transfer". Perhaps "doing a transfer" is misleading. What you are suggesting works normally: in Windows saving a file with a DOS extension shows on the RO side as the same extension, just with '/' instead of '.' The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just has the '/' separator. Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Mon Dec 10 17:30:57 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> Message-ID: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. > Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before > it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. > It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see > how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the > process. On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From mik.towse at xemik.com Mon Dec 10 17:54:59 2018 From: mik.towse at xemik.com (Mik Towse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <576450cf51mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <5764533717%mik.towse@xemik.com> In article <576450cf51mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [snip] > The problem is not in that direction; the problem arises if I save a file > with a DOS extension when using RO. I have (in RO) saved a file xxx.mp4 > from an email to a directory. As expected, when it is seen in RO it just > has the '/' separator. > Now, switching to Windows to look at it, it shows as xxx.mp4.ffd > So for it to be usable in Windows it needs the added '.ffd' to be removed. This should only happen if you haven't added .mp4 to the list under HostFS Extensions. You'll likely have 1AD mapped to .mp3, so have you tried adding mp4 to 1AD? IIRC, this was already been suggested. Since you aren't using mp4 on ROS, it doesn't really matter what you map it to under ROS, just that it /is/ mapped. I often map 'unusual' DOS extensions to FFD or FFF to stop the problem of superfluous double extensions. For example, I believe CSS is filetyped as F79, but I mapped it to FFF. I only know of one program that uses the CSS filetype, so text is fine becaue I can edit it on both platforms. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse at xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From alan at adamshome.org.uk Mon Dec 10 19:26:29 2018 From: alan at adamshome.org.uk (Alan Adams) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:26:29 GMT Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5763b98c05mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <5763c11770mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <1305936493.264966.1544370325856@communicator.strato.de> <57642eaf27mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <57644077b7mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <666d446457.Alan.Adams@ArmX6.adamshome.org.uk> <5764510404mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: In message <5764510404mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 10 Dec, Alan Adams via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: >> Do you have an MP4 entry in the Mimetypes file? > Yes, I do now: having added an emtry with Steffen Huber's BF8 tip. >> Your email software may use that to identify the file to RISC OS, before >> it's saved to disc, which in turn uses the hostfs mappings. >> It might be interesting to save the file to the RAM disc first, and see >> how it's presented there. That doesan't use the HostFS part of the >> process. > On the RAM disc it is shown with the RO extension /mp4 That's expected. The real question is what icon does it use? If it's the green icon for a data file then it won't map to the Windows mp4 file extension. Select the file in the RAM disc, click menu, then info, and see what filetype is assigned. The icon on RISC OS is picked up from the RISC OS filetype. The / in RISC OS is just part of the filename - it has no special meaning to RISC OS. HostFS sorts out what it does based on the filetype in RISC OS. That needs to be right, and if you are extracting the file from email, it's likely that the mimetype is used to create the RISC OS filetype. If there's no Mimetype entry, the RISC OS type will be Data, i.e "I don't kinow what this is". > John -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan at adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Tue Dec 11 11:22:43 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . Message-ID: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is happening. If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data file. So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. I have put the question to the Pluto users group ..... John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Tue Dec 11 11:50:07 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 11:50:07 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <7ff90fd3827367f09609f87a8bcdb5cb@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-11 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this is > happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's Article > Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that when it > is > copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as being a Data > file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to the > file > name, /Windows/ does not do that. Windows does not change the name of a file in any of its directories. If a program creates a file with a particular name then that's the name it has. The VRPC program, running under Windows, creates the file with the name ending in ".dat". -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Dec 11 19:36:18 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 19:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> On 11/12/2018 11:22, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > After all this correspondence, I think I have figured out why this > is happening. > > If I click on an .mp4 video file attachment in Pluto's > Article Viewer, > Info shows the file to be Type "Data (ffd)" so that > when it is copied into a directory it quite correctly shows it as > being a Data file. You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. > So Windows identifies it as a Data file and correctly adds .dat to > the file name, which prevents Windows seeing it as a video file until > it is truncated to its original xxx.mp4 file name. Windows doesn't do that, VRPC does. Once it's has the correct RISC OS file type, you need to ensure VRPC's extension mapping turns back in to a .mp4 ---druck -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com Wed Dec 12 13:26:17 2018 From: mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com (mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:26:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> On 11 Dec, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > You don't have .mp4 in your RISC OS mimemap file. You were quite right there. I have now updated it with Tim Hill's mimemap which seems to contain all types. There is clearly more to be done, though, since the situation remains the same... Following other suggestions, I have also added .mp4 to the list at HostFS::DriveE.$.Program Files.VirtualAcorn.VirtualRPC-AdjustSA.Plugins.HostFS2.extensions but I don't know if I have done that correctly. I have: Type Extensions 1ad : mp3,mp4 but also bf8 : mp4 will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the right one? John -- ____ /__ __________________________ /____Mail from mail at JohnWoodhouse.plus.com . . . using RISC OS From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Dec 12 16:49:37 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Can someone tell me . . In-Reply-To: <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> References: <5764b32367mail@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> <6da8e2b4-ecbe-b12e-333f-0ebeeb750d23@druck.org.uk> <576542497email@JohnWoodhouse.plus.com> Message-ID: <0ff3e723b798a70585dc374705970340@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> On 2018-12-12 13:26, John Woodhouse via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > Type Extensions > > 1ad : mp3,mp4 > but also > bf8 : mp4 > > will it confuse the system having two entries, and if so which is the > right > one? It's not necessarily wrong for there to be two filetypes, if - say - back in the day someone wrote an application that could process both mp3 and mp4 files and chose just one filetype for both when that application was intended to be the one that opened them. For example the application might then have id'd the type of data by looking at the first few bytes of the file. Or, someone may at some stage have decided that (if) neither mp3 nor mp4 could be processed by RO but a filetype would still be useful, and assigned one type for both types of file. I suspect that mp3 files are supported on RO though even if mp4 are not. One might have expected the formal process that RO programmers are meant to go through to register filetypes to have avoided this though... and that might mean that one or both of these definitions are not properly registered. Also... just telling mimemap that filetype bf8 equates to ".mp4" doesn't (so far as I know) tell RO itself what the name of the filetype bf8 is, and it certainly doesn't define a suitable icon. To get a name for the filetype you will need to put the instruction *set file$type_BF8 Mp4 into an Obey file somewhere in your boot sequence. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:00:20 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:00:20 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request Message-ID: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the CD is empty :( Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up and running again? No response on the telephone from Aaron at the moment but I will have to obtain a fresh copy of the CD for future problems. TIA John Woodhouse VirtualRPC-AdjustSA Please post to: mail at JohnWoodhouse.co.uk From pittdj at pittdj.co.uk Mon Dec 17 14:36:24 2018 From: pittdj at pittdj.co.uk (David Pitt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > > After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. > I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so > having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the > CD is empty :( > Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up > and running again? This? http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm -- David Pitt From mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:42:13 2018 From: mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk (mail at johnwoodhouse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:42:13 +0000 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Help request In-Reply-To: References: <20181217130020.Horde.3mL_AdFicPKVCuNuyDCbTiE@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Message-ID: <20181218144213.Horde.UTxQzw-Czrqk9ZSKkrITPRk@secureuk64.sgcpanel.com> Quoting David Pitt via Virtualacorn-list : > JohnW via Virtualacorn-list, on 17 Dec, wrote: > >> >> After a crash, and trying to run VA again I have the dreaded Green Screen. >> I know I need to run the CMOS restore program which is on the VA CD so >> having inserted the CD in the player... nothing. According to Windows the >> CD is empty :( >> Could someone please post me a copy of the program so that I can get up >> and running again? > > This? > > http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/dloadpage/betautil.htm > Thanks, David, I didn't know it was there. John