From Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk Wed Aug 1 13:00:42 2018 From: Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk (lists) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. -- Stuart Winsor Tools With A Mission sending tools across the world http://www.twam.co.uk/ From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 1 13:14:48 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1660829235.219901.1533125688721@communicator.strato.de> > lists via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, > Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. > > If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to > Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. The mail transport relies on the SecureSockets module, which is based on a very old version of OpenSSL of perhaps 2006 vintage. Apart from the many security problems found since then, it is also a problem that modern encryption standards are not supported. IIRC, it is TLS 1.0 only. You shouldn't even use TLS 1.1 anymore. That many mail servers still support TLS 1.0 is sheer luck. Andrew knows this. He has repeatedly asked if someone could "upgrade" the SecureSockets module, but nobody volunteered. I don't know why it must be done via module, there are several C libraries available that could be embedded into the application code. GnuTLS, mbedTLS... There is 3rd party software for secure POP3 and SMTP transport based on a comparatively new version (2016 IIRC) of GnuTLS, but there is no solution for IMAP. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From dave at triffid.co.uk Mon Aug 20 07:13:08 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question Message-ID: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> I think I've chatted about this in the past... I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be very unreliable in resolving names. For example: pop.mydomain.co.uk will often fail, but if I reconfigure Hermes to use the ip address numbers, nn.nn.nnn.nnn it will connect perfectly okay. Return to pop.mydomain.co.uk and it will not connect. (Worth noting in passing) If I drop out of RISC OS into Windows and use Thunderbird to connect to pop.mydomain.co.uk it works okay. Back into RISC OS and it fails. CLI RMReinit Resolver doesn't change anything. Sometimes a RISC OS cold reboot sorts the problem... So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another one? If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? Thanks Dave Nb: No Problem Killing the module, the replacement is the big Q. -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Mon Aug 20 21:58:20 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think I've chatted about this in the past... > > I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be > very unreliable in resolving names. [Snip] > So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be > possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another > one? The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, and has had for around a decade. > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be significantly slower. Cheers ---Davd -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Tue Aug 21 06:58:30 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snip] > The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, > and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, > and has had for around a decade. > > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? > That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported > by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be > significantly slower. > Cheers > ---Davd Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. Dave -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Aug 21 20:50:30 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list [Using an alternative resolver] >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported >> by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be >> significantly slower. > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications can't use the Netsurf one. Cheers ---David -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Wed Aug 22 11:22:50 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> In article <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list > [Using an alternative resolver] > >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls > >> supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to > >> be significantly slower. > > > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. > It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. > I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works > when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications > can't use the Netsurf one. > Cheers > ---David This David is now a bit ?? 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is hiding? 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or whatever you technical folks would call it) changing to an ip numeric address immediately gets a connection. Dave -- Dave Triffid From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 22 11:31:38 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1272212276.451811.1534933898246@communicator.strato.de> > Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It hides inside the NetSurf !RunImage. It has its own resolver, but not its own resolbver module. Important difference. There is a certain tendency in RISC OS world to have modules for everything. Often without good reason. There are certainly advantages of having system-wide functionality, but only if it is available across the board and always kept up to date. This is the reason why NetSurf does its own thing for SLL/TLS and resolving (and Unicode support and...and...). Have fun Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Aug 22 12:02:16 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:02:16 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2018-08-22 11:22, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It won't be a module, just part of Netsurf. Modules are just programs written in a special way that lets them start and then provide services to multiple users/programs - usually extending what the OS does. There's no reason why what a resolver module does for lots of callers couldn't be implemented by each of the users (ie programs) themselves, except that it's inefficient for everyone to reinvent the wheel. It's a pity that the RO resolver hasn't been fixed though. > 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or > whatever you technical folks would call it) I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on DNS servers) and returns the IP address. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From dave at triffid.co.uk Thu Aug 23 15:58:09 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <572c20e8c7dave@triffid.co.uk> In article , Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snippy] > I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on > DNS servers) and returns the IP address. Mmnn! Another question has slowly surfaced because I also have trouble sometime connecting to news servers. Does Newshound use the RISC OS resolver module when connecting to the news servers, or does it have its own code like Netsurf? It says in the status window, resolving news.individual.net etc... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid From styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk Sat Aug 25 18:27:57 2018 From: styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] AdjustSA and RO4.02 Message-ID: <572d364baastyleguide@avisoft.f9.co.uk> I have VRPC AdjustSA and normally run RO4.39 on it, on Win10pro. I am sure that at some long time ago I ran VRPC with RO4.02. I suspect it was a much earlier version of VRPC, and I no longer have the files after the several upgrades. However, for purposes of investigating a user problem I would like to do so again. The user is running a VRPC version which I think has a serial number of 00xxxxx and I am not sure which exact version this is. So, I took the ROM402 from the 'Virtually Free' 4.02 download from riscos.com (ie 3QD Developments) and created a new VRPC model for it, based on the StrongArm JIT one. The ROM was copied to RomSets.RISCOS402 as rom/rom and the Model changed to refer to it. However, when I try to start it the VRPC window opens, but it remains white and blank ... and it seems VRPC is looping. The console log stops after message: PowerService: Idle can idle until next interrupt which is normally followed by: PowerService: Read bmu reg 10. Is it possible to run RO4.02 in AdjustSA? If so, what might I have done wrong? Thanks for any clues Martin -- Martin Avison using a British Iyonix running RISC OS 5 and the Pluto mail and newsreader From Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk Wed Aug 1 13:00:42 2018 From: Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk (lists) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. -- Stuart Winsor Tools With A Mission sending tools across the world http://www.twam.co.uk/ From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 1 13:14:48 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1660829235.219901.1533125688721@communicator.strato.de> > lists via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, > Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. > > If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to > Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. The mail transport relies on the SecureSockets module, which is based on a very old version of OpenSSL of perhaps 2006 vintage. Apart from the many security problems found since then, it is also a problem that modern encryption standards are not supported. IIRC, it is TLS 1.0 only. You shouldn't even use TLS 1.1 anymore. That many mail servers still support TLS 1.0 is sheer luck. Andrew knows this. He has repeatedly asked if someone could "upgrade" the SecureSockets module, but nobody volunteered. I don't know why it must be done via module, there are several C libraries available that could be embedded into the application code. GnuTLS, mbedTLS... There is 3rd party software for secure POP3 and SMTP transport based on a comparatively new version (2016 IIRC) of GnuTLS, but there is no solution for IMAP. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From dave at triffid.co.uk Mon Aug 20 07:13:08 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question Message-ID: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> I think I've chatted about this in the past... I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be very unreliable in resolving names. For example: pop.mydomain.co.uk will often fail, but if I reconfigure Hermes to use the ip address numbers, nn.nn.nnn.nnn it will connect perfectly okay. Return to pop.mydomain.co.uk and it will not connect. (Worth noting in passing) If I drop out of RISC OS into Windows and use Thunderbird to connect to pop.mydomain.co.uk it works okay. Back into RISC OS and it fails. CLI RMReinit Resolver doesn't change anything. Sometimes a RISC OS cold reboot sorts the problem... So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another one? If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? Thanks Dave Nb: No Problem Killing the module, the replacement is the big Q. -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Mon Aug 20 21:58:20 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think I've chatted about this in the past... > > I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be > very unreliable in resolving names. [Snip] > So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be > possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another > one? The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, and has had for around a decade. > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be significantly slower. Cheers ---Davd -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Tue Aug 21 06:58:30 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snip] > The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, > and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, > and has had for around a decade. > > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? > That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported > by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be > significantly slower. > Cheers > ---Davd Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. Dave -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Aug 21 20:50:30 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list [Using an alternative resolver] >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported >> by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be >> significantly slower. > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications can't use the Netsurf one. Cheers ---David -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Wed Aug 22 11:22:50 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> In article <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list > [Using an alternative resolver] > >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls > >> supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to > >> be significantly slower. > > > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. > It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. > I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works > when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications > can't use the Netsurf one. > Cheers > ---David This David is now a bit ?? 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is hiding? 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or whatever you technical folks would call it) changing to an ip numeric address immediately gets a connection. Dave -- Dave Triffid From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 22 11:31:38 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1272212276.451811.1534933898246@communicator.strato.de> > Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It hides inside the NetSurf !RunImage. It has its own resolver, but not its own resolbver module. Important difference. There is a certain tendency in RISC OS world to have modules for everything. Often without good reason. There are certainly advantages of having system-wide functionality, but only if it is available across the board and always kept up to date. This is the reason why NetSurf does its own thing for SLL/TLS and resolving (and Unicode support and...and...). Have fun Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Aug 22 12:02:16 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:02:16 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2018-08-22 11:22, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It won't be a module, just part of Netsurf. Modules are just programs written in a special way that lets them start and then provide services to multiple users/programs - usually extending what the OS does. There's no reason why what a resolver module does for lots of callers couldn't be implemented by each of the users (ie programs) themselves, except that it's inefficient for everyone to reinvent the wheel. It's a pity that the RO resolver hasn't been fixed though. > 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or > whatever you technical folks would call it) I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on DNS servers) and returns the IP address. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From dave at triffid.co.uk Thu Aug 23 15:58:09 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <572c20e8c7dave@triffid.co.uk> In article , Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snippy] > I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on > DNS servers) and returns the IP address. Mmnn! Another question has slowly surfaced because I also have trouble sometime connecting to news servers. Does Newshound use the RISC OS resolver module when connecting to the news servers, or does it have its own code like Netsurf? It says in the status window, resolving news.individual.net etc... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid From styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk Sat Aug 25 18:27:57 2018 From: styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] AdjustSA and RO4.02 Message-ID: <572d364baastyleguide@avisoft.f9.co.uk> I have VRPC AdjustSA and normally run RO4.39 on it, on Win10pro. I am sure that at some long time ago I ran VRPC with RO4.02. I suspect it was a much earlier version of VRPC, and I no longer have the files after the several upgrades. However, for purposes of investigating a user problem I would like to do so again. The user is running a VRPC version which I think has a serial number of 00xxxxx and I am not sure which exact version this is. So, I took the ROM402 from the 'Virtually Free' 4.02 download from riscos.com (ie 3QD Developments) and created a new VRPC model for it, based on the StrongArm JIT one. The ROM was copied to RomSets.RISCOS402 as rom/rom and the Model changed to refer to it. However, when I try to start it the VRPC window opens, but it remains white and blank ... and it seems VRPC is looping. The console log stops after message: PowerService: Idle can idle until next interrupt which is normally followed by: PowerService: Read bmu reg 10. Is it possible to run RO4.02 in AdjustSA? If so, what might I have done wrong? Thanks for any clues Martin -- Martin Avison using a British Iyonix running RISC OS 5 and the Pluto mail and newsreader From Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk Wed Aug 1 13:00:42 2018 From: Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk (lists) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. -- Stuart Winsor Tools With A Mission sending tools across the world http://www.twam.co.uk/ From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 1 13:14:48 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1660829235.219901.1533125688721@communicator.strato.de> > lists via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, > Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. > > If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to > Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. The mail transport relies on the SecureSockets module, which is based on a very old version of OpenSSL of perhaps 2006 vintage. Apart from the many security problems found since then, it is also a problem that modern encryption standards are not supported. IIRC, it is TLS 1.0 only. You shouldn't even use TLS 1.1 anymore. That many mail servers still support TLS 1.0 is sheer luck. Andrew knows this. He has repeatedly asked if someone could "upgrade" the SecureSockets module, but nobody volunteered. I don't know why it must be done via module, there are several C libraries available that could be embedded into the application code. GnuTLS, mbedTLS... There is 3rd party software for secure POP3 and SMTP transport based on a comparatively new version (2016 IIRC) of GnuTLS, but there is no solution for IMAP. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From dave at triffid.co.uk Mon Aug 20 07:13:08 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question Message-ID: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> I think I've chatted about this in the past... I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be very unreliable in resolving names. For example: pop.mydomain.co.uk will often fail, but if I reconfigure Hermes to use the ip address numbers, nn.nn.nnn.nnn it will connect perfectly okay. Return to pop.mydomain.co.uk and it will not connect. (Worth noting in passing) If I drop out of RISC OS into Windows and use Thunderbird to connect to pop.mydomain.co.uk it works okay. Back into RISC OS and it fails. CLI RMReinit Resolver doesn't change anything. Sometimes a RISC OS cold reboot sorts the problem... So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another one? If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? Thanks Dave Nb: No Problem Killing the module, the replacement is the big Q. -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Mon Aug 20 21:58:20 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think I've chatted about this in the past... > > I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be > very unreliable in resolving names. [Snip] > So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be > possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another > one? The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, and has had for around a decade. > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be significantly slower. Cheers ---Davd -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Tue Aug 21 06:58:30 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snip] > The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, > and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, > and has had for around a decade. > > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? > That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported > by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be > significantly slower. > Cheers > ---Davd Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. Dave -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Aug 21 20:50:30 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list [Using an alternative resolver] >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported >> by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be >> significantly slower. > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications can't use the Netsurf one. Cheers ---David -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Wed Aug 22 11:22:50 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> In article <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list > [Using an alternative resolver] > >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls > >> supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to > >> be significantly slower. > > > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. > It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. > I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works > when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications > can't use the Netsurf one. > Cheers > ---David This David is now a bit ?? 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is hiding? 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or whatever you technical folks would call it) changing to an ip numeric address immediately gets a connection. Dave -- Dave Triffid From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 22 11:31:38 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1272212276.451811.1534933898246@communicator.strato.de> > Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It hides inside the NetSurf !RunImage. It has its own resolver, but not its own resolbver module. Important difference. There is a certain tendency in RISC OS world to have modules for everything. Often without good reason. There are certainly advantages of having system-wide functionality, but only if it is available across the board and always kept up to date. This is the reason why NetSurf does its own thing for SLL/TLS and resolving (and Unicode support and...and...). Have fun Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Aug 22 12:02:16 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:02:16 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2018-08-22 11:22, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It won't be a module, just part of Netsurf. Modules are just programs written in a special way that lets them start and then provide services to multiple users/programs - usually extending what the OS does. There's no reason why what a resolver module does for lots of callers couldn't be implemented by each of the users (ie programs) themselves, except that it's inefficient for everyone to reinvent the wheel. It's a pity that the RO resolver hasn't been fixed though. > 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or > whatever you technical folks would call it) I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on DNS servers) and returns the IP address. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From dave at triffid.co.uk Thu Aug 23 15:58:09 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <572c20e8c7dave@triffid.co.uk> In article , Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snippy] > I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on > DNS servers) and returns the IP address. Mmnn! Another question has slowly surfaced because I also have trouble sometime connecting to news servers. Does Newshound use the RISC OS resolver module when connecting to the news servers, or does it have its own code like Netsurf? It says in the status window, resolving news.individual.net etc... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid From styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk Sat Aug 25 18:27:57 2018 From: styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] AdjustSA and RO4.02 Message-ID: <572d364baastyleguide@avisoft.f9.co.uk> I have VRPC AdjustSA and normally run RO4.39 on it, on Win10pro. I am sure that at some long time ago I ran VRPC with RO4.02. I suspect it was a much earlier version of VRPC, and I no longer have the files after the several upgrades. However, for purposes of investigating a user problem I would like to do so again. The user is running a VRPC version which I think has a serial number of 00xxxxx and I am not sure which exact version this is. So, I took the ROM402 from the 'Virtually Free' 4.02 download from riscos.com (ie 3QD Developments) and created a new VRPC model for it, based on the StrongArm JIT one. The ROM was copied to RomSets.RISCOS402 as rom/rom and the Model changed to refer to it. However, when I try to start it the VRPC window opens, but it remains white and blank ... and it seems VRPC is looping. The console log stops after message: PowerService: Idle can idle until next interrupt which is normally followed by: PowerService: Read bmu reg 10. Is it possible to run RO4.02 in AdjustSA? If so, what might I have done wrong? Thanks for any clues Martin -- Martin Avison using a British Iyonix running RISC OS 5 and the Pluto mail and newsreader From Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk Wed Aug 1 13:00:42 2018 From: Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk (lists) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. -- Stuart Winsor Tools With A Mission sending tools across the world http://www.twam.co.uk/ From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 1 13:14:48 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1660829235.219901.1533125688721@communicator.strato.de> > lists via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, > Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. > > If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to > Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. The mail transport relies on the SecureSockets module, which is based on a very old version of OpenSSL of perhaps 2006 vintage. Apart from the many security problems found since then, it is also a problem that modern encryption standards are not supported. IIRC, it is TLS 1.0 only. You shouldn't even use TLS 1.1 anymore. That many mail servers still support TLS 1.0 is sheer luck. Andrew knows this. He has repeatedly asked if someone could "upgrade" the SecureSockets module, but nobody volunteered. I don't know why it must be done via module, there are several C libraries available that could be embedded into the application code. GnuTLS, mbedTLS... There is 3rd party software for secure POP3 and SMTP transport based on a comparatively new version (2016 IIRC) of GnuTLS, but there is no solution for IMAP. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From dave at triffid.co.uk Mon Aug 20 07:13:08 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question Message-ID: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> I think I've chatted about this in the past... I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be very unreliable in resolving names. For example: pop.mydomain.co.uk will often fail, but if I reconfigure Hermes to use the ip address numbers, nn.nn.nnn.nnn it will connect perfectly okay. Return to pop.mydomain.co.uk and it will not connect. (Worth noting in passing) If I drop out of RISC OS into Windows and use Thunderbird to connect to pop.mydomain.co.uk it works okay. Back into RISC OS and it fails. CLI RMReinit Resolver doesn't change anything. Sometimes a RISC OS cold reboot sorts the problem... So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another one? If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? Thanks Dave Nb: No Problem Killing the module, the replacement is the big Q. -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Mon Aug 20 21:58:20 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think I've chatted about this in the past... > > I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be > very unreliable in resolving names. [Snip] > So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be > possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another > one? The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, and has had for around a decade. > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be significantly slower. Cheers ---Davd -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Tue Aug 21 06:58:30 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snip] > The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, > and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, > and has had for around a decade. > > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? > That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported > by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be > significantly slower. > Cheers > ---Davd Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. Dave -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Aug 21 20:50:30 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list [Using an alternative resolver] >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported >> by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be >> significantly slower. > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications can't use the Netsurf one. Cheers ---David -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Wed Aug 22 11:22:50 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> In article <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list > [Using an alternative resolver] > >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls > >> supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to > >> be significantly slower. > > > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. > It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. > I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works > when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications > can't use the Netsurf one. > Cheers > ---David This David is now a bit ?? 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is hiding? 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or whatever you technical folks would call it) changing to an ip numeric address immediately gets a connection. Dave -- Dave Triffid From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 22 11:31:38 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1272212276.451811.1534933898246@communicator.strato.de> > Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It hides inside the NetSurf !RunImage. It has its own resolver, but not its own resolbver module. Important difference. There is a certain tendency in RISC OS world to have modules for everything. Often without good reason. There are certainly advantages of having system-wide functionality, but only if it is available across the board and always kept up to date. This is the reason why NetSurf does its own thing for SLL/TLS and resolving (and Unicode support and...and...). Have fun Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Aug 22 12:02:16 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:02:16 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2018-08-22 11:22, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It won't be a module, just part of Netsurf. Modules are just programs written in a special way that lets them start and then provide services to multiple users/programs - usually extending what the OS does. There's no reason why what a resolver module does for lots of callers couldn't be implemented by each of the users (ie programs) themselves, except that it's inefficient for everyone to reinvent the wheel. It's a pity that the RO resolver hasn't been fixed though. > 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or > whatever you technical folks would call it) I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on DNS servers) and returns the IP address. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From dave at triffid.co.uk Thu Aug 23 15:58:09 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <572c20e8c7dave@triffid.co.uk> In article , Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snippy] > I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on > DNS servers) and returns the IP address. Mmnn! Another question has slowly surfaced because I also have trouble sometime connecting to news servers. Does Newshound use the RISC OS resolver module when connecting to the news servers, or does it have its own code like Netsurf? It says in the status window, resolving news.individual.net etc... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid From styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk Sat Aug 25 18:27:57 2018 From: styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] AdjustSA and RO4.02 Message-ID: <572d364baastyleguide@avisoft.f9.co.uk> I have VRPC AdjustSA and normally run RO4.39 on it, on Win10pro. I am sure that at some long time ago I ran VRPC with RO4.02. I suspect it was a much earlier version of VRPC, and I no longer have the files after the several upgrades. However, for purposes of investigating a user problem I would like to do so again. The user is running a VRPC version which I think has a serial number of 00xxxxx and I am not sure which exact version this is. So, I took the ROM402 from the 'Virtually Free' 4.02 download from riscos.com (ie 3QD Developments) and created a new VRPC model for it, based on the StrongArm JIT one. The ROM was copied to RomSets.RISCOS402 as rom/rom and the Model changed to refer to it. However, when I try to start it the VRPC window opens, but it remains white and blank ... and it seems VRPC is looping. The console log stops after message: PowerService: Idle can idle until next interrupt which is normally followed by: PowerService: Read bmu reg 10. Is it possible to run RO4.02 in AdjustSA? If so, what might I have done wrong? Thanks for any clues Martin -- Martin Avison using a British Iyonix running RISC OS 5 and the Pluto mail and newsreader From Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk Wed Aug 1 13:00:42 2018 From: Stuartlists at orpheusinternet.co.uk (lists) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> Message-ID: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. -- Stuart Winsor Tools With A Mission sending tools across the world http://www.twam.co.uk/ From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 1 13:14:48 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:14:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Multiple recipients In-Reply-To: <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <49511.91.85.218.30.1532602043.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <356715746.181632.1532606287339@email.1and1.co.uk> <49746.91.85.218.30.1532608457.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <90b7e045-eab8-a98c-bdb9-1d023b9bc878@dotcodotukat.co.uk> <49307.91.85.218.30.1532680158.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <571e20f213dave@triffid.co.uk> <330061398.68209.1532726509030@communicator.strato.de> <571e61f28aStuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <900409356.68849.1532739009812@communicator.strato.de> <1840513606.181910.1533048584132@communicator.strato.de> <5720bc4592Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> Message-ID: <1660829235.219901.1533125688721@communicator.strato.de> > lists via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <1840513606.181910.1533048584132 at communicator.strato.de>, > Steffen Huber via Virtualacorn-list > wrote: > > one single problem: Messenger Pro's insecureness. > > If you know of insecurities in MP Pro perhaps you should report them to > Andrew Rawnsley so that there is a chance of them being fixed. The mail transport relies on the SecureSockets module, which is based on a very old version of OpenSSL of perhaps 2006 vintage. Apart from the many security problems found since then, it is also a problem that modern encryption standards are not supported. IIRC, it is TLS 1.0 only. You shouldn't even use TLS 1.1 anymore. That many mail servers still support TLS 1.0 is sheer luck. Andrew knows this. He has repeatedly asked if someone could "upgrade" the SecureSockets module, but nobody volunteered. I don't know why it must be done via module, there are several C libraries available that could be embedded into the application code. GnuTLS, mbedTLS... There is 3rd party software for secure POP3 and SMTP transport based on a comparatively new version (2016 IIRC) of GnuTLS, but there is no solution for IMAP. Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From dave at triffid.co.uk Mon Aug 20 07:13:08 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question Message-ID: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> I think I've chatted about this in the past... I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be very unreliable in resolving names. For example: pop.mydomain.co.uk will often fail, but if I reconfigure Hermes to use the ip address numbers, nn.nn.nnn.nnn it will connect perfectly okay. Return to pop.mydomain.co.uk and it will not connect. (Worth noting in passing) If I drop out of RISC OS into Windows and use Thunderbird to connect to pop.mydomain.co.uk it works okay. Back into RISC OS and it fails. CLI RMReinit Resolver doesn't change anything. Sometimes a RISC OS cold reboot sorts the problem... So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another one? If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? Thanks Dave Nb: No Problem Killing the module, the replacement is the big Q. -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Mon Aug 20 21:58:20 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > I think I've chatted about this in the past... > > I find (For a long time) the VRPC RISC OS 6.20 Resolver (Module) to be > very unreliable in resolving names. [Snip] > So to my question... Considering this is VRPC and RISC OS 6.20 Would it be > possible for me to kill/unplug this Resolver module and install another > one? The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, and has had for around a decade. > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be significantly slower. Cheers ---Davd -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Tue Aug 21 06:58:30 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:58:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 20/08/2018 07:13, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snip] > The VA resolver *should* just pass on the calls to the Windows resolver, > and work any time the Windows one does, however it clearly has problems, > and has had for around a decade. > > If yes, what replacement Resolver module might reliably do the job? > That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported > by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be > significantly slower. > Cheers > ---Davd Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. Dave -- Dave Triffid From druck at druck.org.uk Tue Aug 21 20:50:30 2018 From: druck at druck.org.uk (David J. Ruck) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list [Using an alternative resolver] >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls supported >> by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to be >> significantly slower. > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications can't use the Netsurf one. Cheers ---David -- Email: druck at druck.org.uk Phone: +44-(0)7974 108301 From dave at triffid.co.uk Wed Aug 22 11:22:50 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> Message-ID: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> In article <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f at druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > On 21/08/2018 06:58, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > In article <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b at druck.org.uk>, > > David J. Ruck via Virtualacorn-list > [Using an alternative resolver] > >> That all depends if the if the Replacement resolver uses calls > >> supported by the VA Internet module. If it does work it is likely to > >> be significantly slower. > > > > Thank for that, I guess on balance... I'll just put up with it. > It's still worth a try, if you have a suitable alternative. > I believe Netsurf has its own resolver, so you could see if that works > when the RISC OS one is having problems. Of course other applications > can't use the Netsurf one. > Cheers > ---David This David is now a bit ?? 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is hiding? 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or whatever you technical folks would call it) changing to an ip numeric address immediately gets a connection. Dave -- Dave Triffid From steffen at huber-net.de Wed Aug 22 11:31:38 2018 From: steffen at huber-net.de (Steffen Huber) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:31:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <1272212276.451811.1534933898246@communicator.strato.de> > Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It hides inside the NetSurf !RunImage. It has its own resolver, but not its own resolbver module. Important difference. There is a certain tendency in RISC OS world to have modules for everything. Often without good reason. There are certainly advantages of having system-wide functionality, but only if it is available across the board and always kept up to date. This is the reason why NetSurf does its own thing for SLL/TLS and resolving (and Unicode support and...and...). Have fun Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System ? Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen at huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ RISC OS Blog http://riscosblog.huber-net.de/ From jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk Wed Aug 22 12:02:16 2018 From: jn.ml.vac.83 at wingsandbeaks.org.uk (Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:02:16 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: On 2018-08-22 11:22, Dave Symes via Virtualacorn-list wrote: > 1) Didn't know Netsurf had a resolver module... I wonder where it is > hiding? It won't be a module, just part of Netsurf. Modules are just programs written in a special way that lets them start and then provide services to multiple users/programs - usually extending what the OS does. There's no reason why what a resolver module does for lots of callers couldn't be implemented by each of the users (ie programs) themselves, except that it's inefficient for everyone to reinvent the wheel. It's a pity that the RO resolver hasn't been fixed though. > 2) The VRPC resolver only has a problem with the name translation (or > whatever you technical folks would call it) I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on DNS servers) and returns the IP address. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From dave at triffid.co.uk Thu Aug 23 15:58:09 2018 From: dave at triffid.co.uk (Dave Symes) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:09 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] Resolver Question In-Reply-To: References: <572a655580dave@triffid.co.uk> <411a42f5-3087-a9a5-1559-f2006443735b@druck.org.uk> <572ae7d4acdave@triffid.co.uk> <1b05df0e-36c1-4df1-1602-3ce06c14602f@druck.org.uk> <572b83ddd3dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-ID: <572c20e8c7dave@triffid.co.uk> In article , Jeremy Nicoll - ml VA via Virtualacorn-list wrote: [Snippy] > I'd call it name resolution. That's what it does - looks up names (on > DNS servers) and returns the IP address. Mmnn! Another question has slowly surfaced because I also have trouble sometime connecting to news servers. Does Newshound use the RISC OS resolver module when connecting to the news servers, or does it have its own code like Netsurf? It says in the status window, resolving news.individual.net etc... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid From styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk Sat Aug 25 18:27:57 2018 From: styleguide at avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [Virtualacorn-list] AdjustSA and RO4.02 Message-ID: <572d364baastyleguide@avisoft.f9.co.uk> I have VRPC AdjustSA and normally run RO4.39 on it, on Win10pro. I am sure that at some long time ago I ran VRPC with RO4.02. I suspect it was a much earlier version of VRPC, and I no longer have the files after the several upgrades. However, for purposes of investigating a user problem I would like to do so again. The user is running a VRPC version which I think has a serial number of 00xxxxx and I am not sure which exact version this is. So, I took the ROM402 from the 'Virtually Free' 4.02 download from riscos.com (ie 3QD Developments) and created a new VRPC model for it, based on the StrongArm JIT one. The ROM was copied to RomSets.RISCOS402 as rom/rom and the Model changed to refer to it. However, when I try to start it the VRPC window opens, but it remains white and blank ... and it seems VRPC is looping. The console log stops after message: PowerService: Idle can idle until next interrupt which is normally followed by: PowerService: Read bmu reg 10. Is it possible to run RO4.02 in AdjustSA? If so, what might I have done wrong? Thanks for any clues Martin -- Martin Avison using a British Iyonix running RISC OS 5 and the Pluto mail and newsreader